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    • On the evolutionary Damascus road - Station #4 - We hit some potholes

      Wednesday, 18 Jun 2008 - 07:40 UTC

      This is the fourth in my series of linked blog entries on my experience of being converted (or not) to intelligent design. I had intended to do much the same with the second book as I did with the first – give a quick summary of the book in a first post, then analyze the key points in the next, but in this case there will be only one post about the book, for reasons that I think will become obvious.

      The second book intended to shift me into the intelligent design camp is The 10 things you should know about the Creation vs Evolution debate by Ron Rhodes. What I didn’t realize when I started to read this is that it’s one of a whole series Ron has written including The 10 most important things you can say to a mason and The 10 most important things you can say to a Catholic. I think this tells you where Ron is coming from. (I confess I would be fascinated to read both of these!)

      As the other books in the series show, this title really doesn’t contribute to my journey, because it’s not a science book, it’s a religious book. A fair amount of its arguments are based on biblical quotation – important to many, but irrelevant to this discussion.

      All in all, the book left me feeling more than a little queasy. Perhaps the best example of how it got things horribly wrong is it gives three examples of the evil that ‘darwinism’ is responsible for. This came close to self parody, because in every single example you could change ‘darwinism’ to ‘Christianity’ and make as much sense. According to Ron:

      • Hitler was a ‘Darwinian evolutionist’ – the implication is that evil actions of the state are driven by a ‘belief’ in darwinism. Unfortunately, it’s all too easy to say the same about many world religions. And Hitler also believed the world was round – does his support make that theory doubtful too?
      • Evolutionary theory has played a role in fostering racism – no, incorrect assumptions falsely citing evolutionary theory have done this, not evolutionary theory. And let’s not forget the Ku Klux Klan, making exactly the same type of misuse of a Christian heritage.
      • Darwin argued that men had greater mental powers than women, so evolutionary theory is sexist – Darwin’s beliefs on women are neither here nor there, and would certainly be of his time. And let’s face it, some of the epistles in the Bible are not exactly lacking in sexist content if you’re just going to take things out of context.

      I really can’t go on with the contents of this book, which has a ‘young earth’, world created less than 10,000 years ago in six literal days viewpoint. If its viewpoint were true, even it accepts that it appears we are dealing with a God who maliciously did things to fool us, like set light from the stars in motion part of the way here, so it appears to be coming from further back in time than it really is. (The author agrees this is an unacceptable picture, so it must be wrong, but doesn’t provide an alternative explanation.)

      I can only end with a quote from a review of one of Ron’s other books: ‘This is an uneducated author in biblical research and church history, not to mention a person with an already established agenda which will not be deterred by the facts.’

      This book hasn’t changed my opinions at all – but then it’s not surprising, as it regards even Intelligent Design as suspect. This isn’t a science book, full stop. So, in my next and final post on the subject, I come to the last of the evidence I’ve been presented with – a DVD.

      Continues:
      Station #5

      Last updated: Wednesday, 18 Jun 2008 - 07:40 UTC

      • Comments

        • Date:
          Wednesday, 18 Jun 2008 - 09:25 UTC
          Henry Gee said:

          Has Ron Rhodes written The 10 Most Important Things You Can Say to a Jew? If not, then I think I should step up to the plate roll out fill what is plainly a gap in the market.

          • Don’t worry, it may never happen. If it has happened, there is no point worrying about it;
          • You don’t need to ‘get a man in’ to change a plug;
          • A slight sniffle isn’t always a sign of a terminal illness;
          • The world does not come to an end beyond the M25;
          • The world will not come to an end if your son doesn’t become a doctor/lawyer/accountant/chartered surveyor [delete as applicable]
          • If you eat a bacon sandwich in a cafe in a town where nobody knows you, who you gonna call?
          • Jesus was a Jew. How do we know? Well, he lived at home until his thirties; he went into the family business; his mother thought he was God, and he thought she was a virgin;
          • That nice girl you’re planning to marry won’t inevitably turn into her mother;
          • Just because someone works for the BBC or The Guardian doesn’t inevitably make them an anti-semite;
          • And, most of all, just keep telling yourself: “I ain’t nuts; I ain’t nuts; I ain’t nuts”
        • Date:
          Wednesday, 18 Jun 2008 - 10:31 UTC
          Brian Clegg said:

          Henry -
          No Rhodes is quite happy to take on Islam, Catholics, masons, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormans, but not the jews. Interestingly it’s ‘ten things you should know about Islam’ but ‘ten most important things you can say’ to Catholics, Mormons, JWs and masons.

          He is equally silent on the subject of Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs and Confucianists (to name but a few), so don’t feel left out, Henry.

        • Date:
          Wednesday, 18 Jun 2008 - 10:47 UTC
          Henry Gee said:

          Thanks for that, Brian. Clearly, the market is wide open for exploitation. I suggest that we collaborate on The Ten Things You Should Say To A Golden Retriever. A draft synopsis would go

          • woof
          • woof
          • woof
          • woof
          • woof
          • woof
          • woof
          • woof
          • woof
          • woof
        • Date:
          Wednesday, 18 Jun 2008 - 11:22 UTC
          Bob O'Hara said:

          The world does not come to an end beyond the M25;

          To those of us on the outside it does.

        • Date:
          Wednesday, 18 Jun 2008 - 11:25 UTC
          Richard Grant said:

          point, I think.

        • Date:
          Wednesday, 18 Jun 2008 - 12:02 UTC
          Brian Clegg said:

          Henry – happy to co-author if you are. Here is my edited text for our new masterpiece, which I feel extends it by including interpretation (and, of course, this is the ONLY possible interpretation. Everyone else is wrong.)

          • woof
          • woof? (Is dinner ready)
          • woof! (Dinner is ready!)
          • wuff (I suppose I’ll take you for a walk)
          • grrr! (Cat! Attack!)
          • aw-yaw-roooof (Stretching)
          • wurf (Is that little thing really another dog?)
          • worf (Copyright STTNG)
          • woolf (I’m feeling literary)
          • woof (sometimes, simplest is best)
        • Date:
          Wednesday, 18 Jun 2008 - 12:19 UTC
          Henry Gee said:

          I’ll go with that, Brian. I liked the ‘woolf’ part. Raises the tone rather well, I think. But would it limit the market?

        • Date:
          Wednesday, 18 Jun 2008 - 12:21 UTC
          Henry Gee said:

          The world does not come to an end beyond the M25;

          It does if you live in the eruv.

          When I lived for two miserable years in the mirocephalic leafy village of Kings Langley, which is just outside the M25 and also north of Watford, a friend came round to say that I had to start breeding whippets and keeping coal in the bath, and that a man from the council would come and check.

        • Date:
          Wednesday, 18 Jun 2008 - 17:42 UTC
          Ginkgo 100 said:

          Those three examples of the evil of darwinism are high on the list of arguments to avoid — in order, the the ever-popular reductio ad Hitlerum, an association fallacy, and an ad hominem attack. Nice.

        • Date:
          Wednesday, 18 Jun 2008 - 20:42 UTC
          Henry Gee said:

          Oho. I loved this


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