IS IT QUANTUM? - Reply from Baars :https://sites.google.com/site/conseminar/url/to/link/to (for scientific and teaching materials on consciousness and the brain).
Thank you both for your comments.
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In answer to Dr. Fontoira in-depth case for a quantum notion of consciousness, this idea has been hotly discussed. It continues to be, with some good scientists finding it attractive, but the majority being skeptical.
I count myself as a skeptic, but I hope an openminded one.
Here are the reasons to be skeptical about QM notions of consciousness.
1. Are there unconscious brain events?
This used to be hotly debated in psychology and brain science. It is not any longer. The evidence for unconscious brain processes is simply overwhelming. You must simply look at the literature. I discuss it in Baars & Gage, Cognition, Brain & Consciousness: An Introduction to Cognitive Science (2007, Elsevier/ Academic Press), and in my more introductory book, from Oxford 1997, “In the Theater of Consciousness: The Workspace of the Mind.”
But you can simply search in PubMed or Google Scholar under “unconscious brain” and that will bring up multiple research articles. To simplify radically, our brains are unconscious of
- memories while they are stored, vast body of information*;
- highly practiced automatic skills (traditionally called HABITS) associated with basal ganglia and cerebellum*;
- major aspects of sensory systems, such as the “dorsal stream” of vision*;
- motivationally excluded materials, which used to be extremely controversial in science, but it is now clear on the evidence that people do a vast amount of selective control of what they will be conscious of, and correspondingly, the things they avoid being conscious of*;
- broadly speaking, subcortical, spinal and peripheral neuronal processes*.
2. QM AND CONSCIOUSNESS.
There are several proposals that consciousness depends upon quantum-mechanical processes. Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff are a famous source of that hypothesis. There are others. The basic counterarguments are these.
a. The burden of proof is on the proposer in science, and there is currently no peruasisve evidence FOR the QM notion.
b. QM is taken to be explanatory of the so-called “Hard Problem” in philosophy of consciousness, which arguably does not exist.
Thus Gerald M. Edelman has argued that it does not, as did Francis Crick and his co-author, Christof Koch.
c. IF QM somehow explains the Hard Problem (which is the old mind-body problem, i.e., how does conscious experience relate to physical nature, the body and the brain?), then we are trying to explain one unknown by another unknown.
Quantum mysteries are taken to account for Mind-Body mysteries, which does not look like a step in the right direction. Or as my favorite science parodist Terry Pratchett might put it, “Let’s call it Quantum!” is
NOT an explanation.
d. Finally, and most specifically, QM phenomena are studied at extremes of temperature and spatial resolution that are not routinely observed in the brain.
That goes especially for temperature. QM phenomena are found near 0 degrees Kelvin. Physiological temperatures are way above that.
So - I don’t really think there are many closed issues in science.
We used to think that DNA was a completely protected molecule, and that something like “epigenetics” wasn’t possible. That was wrong.
We used to think all kinds of things in science that we now know better. (We hope!).
So I would not exclude QM accounts of consciousness in principle, forever and ever. We are inductivists, we wait for evidence.
I would say there is no evidence I’ve seen at this time that appears to be persuasive, thought Prof. Stuart Hameroff has some very clever ideas on QM in nerve cells.
Also, there are some strong counterarguments. If we ever find body-temperature QM phenomena, we’ll have to take another look!