
[Chinese PhD. Source: xinhuanet.com]
In a recent post on Nature’s The Sceptical Chymist I discussed a bit in the comment field about the deficiency of Chinese PhD, with other commenters, where we talked about the lack of senses of safety, weak instrumental operation, and poor spoken English (please refer to "that post ":http://blogs.nature.com/thescepticalchymist/2007/05/london_calling.html for detail). From then on I started to remember more rumors I had heard about Chinese graduate students, both MS- and PhD- ones. Once there was a letter from ‘a professor majored in ME, U OF Michigan, US’ posted on xys.org (a website disclosing/fabricating academic scandals in China which is blocked by GFW), which was spread nationwide among BBS fora:
Dear xxx:
I would like to inform you of the situation relevant to Chinese graduate students here, at least at our department, which makes it very difficult for us to accept graduate students from China in the future.
Over about one year period, we have had 6 Chinese Ph.D. students quit their RAship and Ph.D. studies. The reason for them to leave was not that they could not continue, it was rather because they want to have a job now (a higher salary, with a hope that the companies will apply for their green card status). They came with their promises to pursue their Ph.D. degrees, we paid tuition for them to take courses for their Master degree, and we taught and helped them in their research capabilities. Once they got their M.S. degree in Mechanical Engeering, because of the excellent job market in the U.S. at this time, it is relatively easy for them to find a job. In a way we felt that we were used as a step for those Chinese students to come here, and get their master’s degree, then get their jobs. We pay approximately $45-50 K/year for each Ph.D. student, including the tuition, health insurance, various fees, lab and computer fees, and monthly salary, we also put a lot of time and efforts for them. They (most of them) also did good research work as assistants. However, we don’t get credit because we don’t produce PH.D’s, which is one of our major purposes as an institution of high education. On the other hand, they have their particular interests which are also understandable, for example, financial pressure, and wishes to have their green card applications on the way asap.
This situation also happened to my Chinese Ph.D. student. He is very talented and did a good job in research. However, after he got his M.S. in M.E., he resigned very recently. We still let him stay here presently (with salary) for one more month, otherwise he will have to repay his tuition, which is over $10K. Although we are very considerate for those students, the consequences are obvious:
(1) It greatly degraded the reputation of Chinese graduate students who apply for admission. Some professors address those as “very unethical”, “you really cannot trust them when they promise you to pursue their Ph.D. degrees under your supervision”, “you feel you are so stupid as cheated by your own student”. It really created some resentment. Actually, I know, as of this time, there are a couple of more students looking for a job or already got a job offer, but not telling their advisers. They will quit at the last minute before they leave. This situation will certainly get backfired, and the damage will mostly be transferred onto the future applicants from China.
(2) Some professors or research scientists have already made their decisions not to consider Chinese student applications. Although it should not and cannot be a policy, it is the individual’s decision in selecting future Ph.D. students with preference, and in my opinion, with good reasons. It will make it much more difficult for us to bring in Ph.D. students from China. For example, as you know, I was looking for one or two Ph.D. students later this year, and I have a vacancy for a Ph.D. student now. But I will not consider Chinese applicants. At the same time I feel truely sorry, for I know, especially many graduate students from Tsinghua University of very high qualifications sent email applications to me (and to other professors), including yourself. Now I have to inform you that please try your applications elsewhere, or other professors.
In our department, many Chinese graduate students know me and we have a very friendly relationships. The faculty members know that too. One told me: “You try to help them, then they screw you up!”
I spent time to write this email message, for your information and considerations, as to how this situation may be somehow alleviated. You may discuss this with your close friends and classmates, I am not sure you should broadly propagate this message. But I did present a fact and an opinion.——
This letter may be a fabrication, but if it does represent some facts about Chinese graduate students abroad it is still worth noticing.
Another case is what I read from a blog. The blogger seemed to be a interviewer of a drug company, and the interviewee, a Chinese PhD, was said to know nothing he should know. The blogger said the interviewee even didn’t know a xxx-reaction (one of the name reactions, and I can’t remember it now because I don’t know this reaction either! What a shame…). And his only excuse for the lack of basic knowledge is: ‘it was not taught in China.’
I am studying in China now so I don’t know if all of these rumors are true or not. But according to my understanding of Chinese students I quite believe these to be true. But I still want to hear your opinions. Are these problems mostly occurring on Chinese students or it is common regardless of nationality? What other specific deficiencies of Chinese graduate students do you know? I have summarized several possible deficiencies of Chinese graduate students based on my estimation and set up a poll for you to vote. Feel free to express you dissatisfaction with Chinese students! Votes and comments are equally welcome.
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2007 - 16:12 UTC
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yes, may be Chinese students don’t have very good English, but they have smart brain. If American people is smart and talent enough, why going to other country looking for students? I also heard different story about why professors need Chinese students because American students don’t concentrate their attention on research.
Also,there is one third Chinese PH.D graduated in US last year! This is truth. You just ues one or two examples and want to represent your own bias! this is so wrong!
There isn’t any thing in this post that represent my own bias, if not opinion. And what I called for in this post was certainly minor opinions. People who have different, or even bias opinions are interesting and worth listening.
wow, that’s kind of a shame.
I think that’s the risk PIs have to take, when looking thru applicants from other countries coming from universities they’re not entirely familiar with. And it doesn’t just apply to China. When I was applying to profs out of state or overseas, the only ones who replied were the ones who at some point or another attended or worked at my alma mater in Canada.
On the other hand, i haven’t seen issues with Chinese grad students either. Generally the PhD’s who’ve been in it for a while end up with really good written english, sometimes better than native speakers. most of the ones i’ve known are integral parts of the lab who really want that PhD degree, one MSc I knew was so strong she transferred into the PhD program. I’ve only heard of one or two cases where the grad student was let go by their supervisor. Although, I guess for anyone in the PhD program in Canada or the States at least, it’s a bit daunting, because u’re looking at 6-7 years on a student salary before you get ur degree. But, there’s still more incentive to getting the Ph. D if finance is a concern in the long run, I was always told you make more in industry with a Ph. D, and gap is pretty wide between a BSc, MSc and PhD.
Thanks Linda! Your comment is very supplementary. China is relying on a different, if not out-dated, educational infrastructure that has been criticized by the public. However we don’t know exactly in what aspects do our young people lag behind those from other countries. So negative comments on Chinese students are invaluable.