• Science at random

    In this blog I write about and discuss random topics and issues that I come across in my daily life as a lab scientist.

    • When did it go wrong?

      Friday, 24 Aug 2007 - 10:28 GMT

      For every active lab scientist, the magic number is 3. N=3 is the nirvana for every experimenter and constitutes the publishable proof!

      But when is a n=3 a n=3. Of course, one has to repeat the same experiment three times – independently (triplicates don’t count!!!).

      The question is however, what do you do with the experiments that didn’t work. Let’s propose you design a critical experiment that you hope will support your hypothesis. You do the experiment three times, the first time you get really nice results and your findings are exactly what you expected. When you repeat the experiment the next day, you are surprised, because nothing happened. Oh well, you probably were tired, or the lab was too warm, or it was too noisy that day, or you must have made some tiny error somewhere along the way. No problem, just do it again. And so you repeat it a third time and to add to your frustration, the results are the opposite to what you found the first time – totally contradictory to your hypothesis.

      You go, present the data to your supervisor and you are told to do it again. Of course! So you repeat the experiment a forth, fifth, sixth time. The results are still variable, but you also manage to repeat the results from the first experiment a couple of times.
      Finally! The solution is clear. You have a n=3 that shows nicely what you set out to prove, but what to do with all the other experiments and all that contradictory data in your lab book. Well, something must have gone wrong, you were probably tired, had too much to drink the day before, the chemicals were old, the lab was too warm, or you must have forgotten some reaction steps all together.

      N=3 is n=3, so lets draw up a nice, shiny figure and submit the sucker! It took long enough!

      The big question that remains: How do you know something went wrong?

      I believe that this is common practice in all labs and that there is a humongous collection of unsuitable results that will be forgotten. Only the published truth remains!

      Last updated: Friday, 24 Aug 2007 - 10:28 GMT

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        • Date:
          Friday, 24 Aug 2007 - 16:11 GMT
          Nicolau Werneck said:

          I’ve heard once that a nice way to create a plot for a story is to have a tripartite conflict. It’s also nice to create trilogies when writing books and making movies. Perhaps we are dealing here with the rhetorical side of science…

        • Date:
          Saturday, 25 Aug 2007 - 01:52 GMT
          Ricardo Vidal said:

          ”The number 3 is often used as a literary device to provoke a feeling of unnaturalness, as twos are much more common in nature (limbs, hemispheres, eyes, etc).”

          Copied from wikipedia

        • Date:
          Tuesday, 11 Sep 2007 - 16:23 GMT
          Bora Zivkovic said:

          Ah, I got some exciting results once, then got the opposite the 2nd time. I asked a friend more about it (that was more of his area of expertise than mine) and he said I needed to do it about a dozen times with 10X bigger sample sizes before I can do stats and say anything about the topic. I said “Oh” and promptly forgot the experiment, never to publish the data…


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